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McDonnell Douglas MD-87 (N291EA)
Dropping retardant on the Martin Canyon Fire east of Bellevue, Idaho, July 23, 2017.
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great shot
Anyone who is Type Rated in the MD87 like to hazard a guess as to why he is making the run in gear down configuration? Would not be optimal if he suffered an engine failure in this type of terrain...
...and I suppose they've studied the possibility of retardant running through the engines?
Within seconds of finishing the drop, I noticed the landing gear came up.
Thanks Nils!
As explained in this link, the Gear Down increases drag allowing a steeper approach angle while holding speed down. http://fireaviation.com/2017/07/13/md-87-back-in-action/
Incredible Photo Nils.
most timely
most timely
Incredible photo Nils....most timely
Very good photo, nice timing to get this shot !!
Cool
I'm not even a pilot, but if the aircraft is dropping retardant, it would necessitate a fairly slow speed. If the landing gear was up, would the speed not trigger stall warnings? That would explain the retraction of the gear after the run. Nice shot by the way!
Hi Rod, have the landing gear down massively increases the amount of drag acting on the aircraft. I accept that the crew must have needed this drag (at least in the MD87) due to the steepness of the descent path for these particular runs. The danger is that in the event of an engine failure during the run, the a/c is left with only 50 per cent of it's engine thrust available in extremely hot and high conditions, which is very bad for climb performance. The last thing an extremely busy crew dealing with an engine failure (maybe even an engine fire) would need at that time is the massive aerodynamic drag of having an extended landing gear...I am sure they probably had an escape route picked out through a valley someplace!
Flew them loaded with people not retardant. Could the turbulence caused by the gear being down aid in the disbursement of the drop? Maybe the extra drag allows them to keep the engines spooled up at the low speed; that way there is little or no delay in getting full power out of them if needed. Certainly the gear being down should an engine fail is not ideal but my guess is that the gross weight after the drop would be relatively low and would not present quite the problem and, it does come up.
Ops, should have read Mr. Lapworth's comment. Makes sense to me.
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Date | Aircraft | Origin | Destination | Departure | Arrival | Duration |
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18-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Sierra Vista Municipal (KFHU) | First seen 08:29PM MDT | 08:05PM MST | 0:35 |
18-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 07:29PM MDT | Last seen 07:38PM MDT | 0:09 |
18-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 06:38PM MDT | Last seen 06:48PM MDT | 0:10 |
18-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 05:59PM MDT | Last seen 06:10PM MDT | 0:10 |
18-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 05:09PM MDT | Last seen 05:20PM MDT | 0:10 |
18-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 04:25PM MDT | Last seen 04:32PM MDT | 0:07 |
18-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 03:51PM MDT | Last seen 03:58PM MDT | 0:07 |
18-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 03:12PM MDT | Last seen 03:24PM MDT | 0:12 |
18-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 02:42PM MDT | Last seen 02:52PM MDT | 0:09 |
18-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 02:12PM MDT | Last seen 02:24PM MDT | 0:12 |
18-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Alamogordo Rgnl (KALM) | Grant County (KSVC) | 01:05PM MDT | 01:50PM MDT (?) | 0:45 |
18-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Alamogordo Rgnl (KALM) | Alamogordo Rgnl (KALM) | 12:20PM MDT | 12:34PM MDT | 0:13 |
18-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Sierra Vista Municipal (KFHU) | Alamogordo Rgnl (KALM) | 10:05AM MST | 12:03PM MDT | 0:57 |
17-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Alamogordo Rgnl (KALM) | Sierra Vista Municipal (KFHU) | 07:13PM MDT | 07:10PM MST (?) | 0:57 |
17-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Alamogordo Rgnl (KALM) | Alamogordo Rgnl (KALM) | 06:25PM MDT | 06:44PM MDT | 0:18 |
17-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Alamogordo Rgnl (KALM) | Alamogordo Rgnl (KALM) | 05:42PM MDT | 05:58PM MDT | 0:15 |
17-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Alamogordo Rgnl (KALM) | First seen 04:32PM MDT | 05:12PM MDT | 0:40 |
17-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 02:24PM MDT | Last seen 02:46PM MDT | 0:21 |
17-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Fort Huachuca Sierra Vista, AZ | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 12:04PM MST | Last seen 02:04PM MDT | 0:59 |
16-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Sierra Vista Municipal (KFHU) | First seen 07:21PM MDT | 06:58PM MST | 0:37 |
16-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Grant County (KSVC) | First seen 06:19PM MDT | Last seen 06:42PM MDT | 0:22 |
16-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 05:36PM MDT | Last seen 05:50PM MDT | 0:14 |
16-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 04:49PM MDT | Last seen 04:59PM MDT | 0:10 |
16-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 04:10PM MDT | Last seen 04:21PM MDT | 0:11 |
16-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 03:29PM MDT | Last seen 03:39PM MDT | 0:10 |
16-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 02:50PM MDT | Last seen 03:28PM MDT | 0:38 |
16-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Grant County (KSVC) | First seen 02:16PM MDT | Last seen 02:29PM MDT | 0:13 |
16-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Sierra Vista Municipal (KFHU) | Near Silver City, NM | 12:13PM MST | Last seen 01:51PM MDT | 0:37 |
15-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Sierra Vista Municipal (KFHU) | First seen 07:28PM MDT | Last seen 07:05PM MST | 0:36 |
15-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 04:47PM MDT | Last seen 05:03PM MDT | 0:15 |
15-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 02:27PM MDT | Last seen 03:01PM MDT | 0:34 |
15-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 01:25PM MDT | Last seen 02:01PM MDT | 0:35 |
15-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 12:30PM MDT | Last seen 12:59PM MDT | 0:29 |
15-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Sierra Vista Municipal (KFHU) | Near Silver City, NM | 10:12AM MST | Last seen 12:02PM MDT | 0:50 |
14-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Sierra Vista Municipal (KFHU) | Sierra Vista Municipal (KFHU) | 06:31PM MST | 07:32PM MST (?) | 1:01 |
14-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Fort Huachuca Sierra Vista, AZ | Sierra Vista Municipal (KFHU) | First seen 04:54PM MST | 06:04PM MST | 1:10 |
14-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Sierra Vista Municipal (KFHU) | First seen 03:57PM MDT | 03:54PM MST | 0:57 |
14-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 02:56PM MDT | Last seen 03:27PM MDT | 0:30 |
14-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 01:35PM MDT | Last seen 02:07PM MDT | 0:32 |
14-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Sierra Vista Municipal (KFHU) | Near Silver City, NM | 11:04AM MST | Last seen 12:57PM MDT | 0:53 |
13-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Sierra Vista Municipal (KFHU) | First seen 05:54PM MDT | Last seen 05:39PM MST | 0:45 |
13-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 04:57PM MDT | Last seen 05:24PM MDT | 0:26 |
13-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Grant County (KSVC) | First seen 02:51PM MDT | Last seen 03:07PM MDT | 0:15 |
13-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 02:11PM MDT | Last seen 02:24PM MDT | 0:13 |
13-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Near Silver City, NM | Near Silver City, NM | First seen 01:08PM MDT | Last seen 01:23PM MDT | 0:15 |
13-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Cedar City Rgnl (KCDC) | Near Silver City, NM | 11:28AM MDT | Last seen 12:36PM MDT | 1:08 |
11-Jun-2025 | MD87 | Sierra Vista Municipal (KFHU) | Cedar City Rgnl (KCDC) | 06:18PM MST | 08:55PM MDT | 1:36 |
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