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Ex-United Pilot Sues After Buckling 767 Fuselage

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The first officer has sued United alleging the carrier falsely reported aviation records to the Federal Aviation Administration. (airlinegeeks.com) More...

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coinflyer
coinflyer 4
"...he argued that the touchdown “was not hard.”" Maybe not, but nose first isn't summa cum laude technique and wrinkling the plane isn't a sign of a buttercreme landing. Glad he's not flying anymore.
bbabis
bbabis 3
If the plane isn’t flyable again after a normal landing attempt, you need landing practice. If after the practice, your landings are still below par, you need to find another job. Unfortunately, he’s probably not the lowest skilled pilot in the industry.
mbrews
mbrews 5
Pilots, it goes like this : If you bend metal on the aircraft, you might not be given a second chance.

The NTSB final report about the 2023 buckled fuselage incident at IAH, was issued January 2025.
I plan to read it.
FlyinHighFL420
At least that 76 returned to service. Thought for sure it would be scrapped, but she’s back flying.

As for the f/o, he was given a second chance and showed he was unable to meet the standard. Goodbye. Whether it was “reported” as him being PIC, those in the industry know the capt is always PIC, so i’m not sure what his complaint is. Maybe he is unable to get hired elsewhere due to his lack of ability and rather than admit his failures, the blame must be placed elsewhere. Anyone surprised by this? Seems to be the norm nowadays. Why can’t people accept responsibility?
dvbavcon
Per the NTSB Report DCA23LA384 probable cause was,"The first officer’s improper control inputs after the airplane touched down. Contributing to the severity of the damage was the flight crew’s lack of recognition that the speedbrakes were not armed, which led to their delayed deployment."
bbabis
bbabis 1
The pilot profession in the past has not been one that attracts average or below average pursuers and those that are were quickly filtered out one way or another. When demographics instead of merit became the norm for hiring and advancement all the filters have been removed except Darwin’s.
jbermo
jbermo 1
"The pilot profession in the past has not been one that attracts average or below average pursuer" . . . . The pilot profession in the past had always attracted average or below-average dreamers, it's just that screening was tough and thorough.
Ricovandijk
The captain also made control inputs during this event, without the compulsory words: I have control. Besides the fact that IMO both pilots at the controls are always co-responsible. Still this is supposed to be a just culture and that is utterly failing. With this debate about pointing fingers, instead of wondering why this pilot was unable to perform his duties properly. Was it fatigue? Improper instruction anything else we might learn from this? I hope this blame trend doesn’t continue…
jbermo
jbermo 3
I suspect not following procedure (arming speed brakes) COMBINED with bad technique is what hung them. A one, two punch.
hangar14
Rick D 0
Captain Smith was asleep when the Titanic hit the iceberg, but he still went down with the ship.
trentenjet
trentenjet -3
So the co-pilot made a bad landing bent the airplane. Now he's suing United Airlines such a millennial. They don't know how to fly.
That's the world we live in. If there wasn't a unit, he would eventually be looking for a job. Probably selling car insurance.
btweston
btweston 3
A unit? Sick burn.
patrick8508
You can bet he was a DEI hire too.
FlyinHighFL420
And there it is; your ignorance and racism is showing. Maybe he was a DEI hire. What does it matter? United gave a qualified individual an opportunity. They obviously passed their checks and made it to the flight deck. During the probationary period, their performance was not up to standard, their rechecks were unsatisfactory, and they were released. Simple as that. Isn’t that what we want? A system that constantly evaluates and ensures the right people are in your employment; regardless of race/sex/gender etc.

You seem to forget there are 2 pilots up front, and there was a failure between the two. In this case, there was a bad landing and luckily no one was injured. You can have 10k hours and still have a bad landing. Were there other issues in this case, absolutely, but i wasn’t in the jump seat and will not speak about them. I’m sure the info is out there though. To even bring DEI into it is absurd and just goes to show you do not understand the concept of DEI.
patrick8508
Understand enough to know that DEI was and is a total failure (thanks BIDEN). Back to the old ways that worked-taking the MOST qualified applicants for any given job and training them to do their best. What we don't need is taking inept applicants who, at best, are minimally qualified being jammed into positions they are completely unqualified for and setting them up for the inevitable upcoming failures.
FlyinHighFL420
Bless your heart.

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