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Coronavirus: Canada Closes Border to Foreigners, Americans Exempted

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Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who announced the move from outside his residence where he is self-isolating, stopped short of closing the Canadian-U.S. border. Canada on 16 March moved to ban entry to the country to non-residents, except for American citizens, in a bid to combat the COVID-19 outbreak. (www.hollywoodreporter.com) More...

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eveolson
Eve Olson -3
Odd. Where are the most COVID 19 cases in north America? Sorry, I'd prevent them coming here.
godutch
godutch 2
Eve, this virus is here, and here to stay. It's coming your way whether today, tomorrow, or next week, or next month. Currently they are trying to SLOW the hit so that medical facilities can handle the valid Corona patients and the normal sick or injured people. The goal is not to overwhelm hospitals all at once - especially with people who may simply have the cold or sniffles (or totally well) who we KNOW will be flooding their local ER.
wopri
This is easier said then done. At this time of year Canada gets 80% of their fruit and vegetable from the USA or Mexico, so there would still be many thousands of trucks per day that need to cross the border. We are at the beginning of an unprecedented health crisis, and 50% of our medical supplies come from the USA. Anyways, the virus is already here, so closing of borders, even screening people coming in, will do nothing but give us a false sense of security that in the end does more harm than good.
mbrews
mbrews 1
- I happened to see unusual patterns of flights in/out of Havana Cuba today, March 17.
THREE British Air 777 enroute LHR-HAV with 9000 series flight numbers. (not typical flights). Plus widebodies from AMS, DUS, MUC, CDG, and yes, Alitalia from Rome FCO to Havana. Also note the US flights operating HAV-MIA HAV-JFK, etc. 1) Are the EU folks merely sunseekers? 2) Has Havana just become a new Toronto, offering a way to bypass US ban on travel from EU to USA ? 3) Or are these G7 coordinated flights for repatriation plus transporting medical supplies. Don't know the answer, but heavier than normal traffic patterns. Can search Flightaware for HAV or MUHA , then try the map picture
Ra1n
Ra1n 1
Please correct me if I'm wrong (I have not yet traveled internationally myself), but wouldn't a US citizen's passport show they were in a country in Europe even if they were returning to the US through Canada, Cuba, or some other country?

Even before these travel restrictions, if you were in Europe and flew through Toronto back to the US, customs should still know you were in Europe...

I'd be happy to learn about something I'm missing and/or not understanding, though!
mbrews
mbrews 1
Thread started about closing the Canada "EU airliner bypass". Then noticing the unusual HAV flights. Cuba is NOT currently on any US list for MEDICAL screening of passengers. Furthermore, some of the flights such as Southwest & JetBlue, arrive at Ft Lauderdale airport, NOT an approved point of embarkation, and NO provision for CDC virus screening stacked w/ passport control. Possibility # 3, a G7 coordinated re-patriation would allay the concern, but skeptical. Focus on the Flightaware patterns, IMHO quite unusual
Ra1n
Ra1n 1
I misspoke.

Regardless of citizenship, my I believe my statement still stands: If anyone (US citizen or not) was in Europe and flew to the US through Cuba, Customs would certainly still know they were recently in Europe. Any travel restrictions, as far as I'm aware, consider the location of origin, not the most recent connection.
mbrews
mbrews 1
Really ? " not having travelled internationally " You could satisfy your curiosity about passport control by checking US State department travel website, perhaps DHS website.
williambaker08
william baker 1
Correct me if im wrong but I dont think a American Citizen needs a passport to travel to Canada just a vaild ID or Drivers license
wopri
I don’t know about Americans travelling to Canada, but the other way round you need a passport.
mbrews
mbrews 1
Glad you asked. US citizen needs either a full passport book, or the small passport card, for Canada travel by air OR land. I know someone who missed a flight USA to Toronto last year, he forgot to pack his passport card on the preceding (domestic) trip. My post is about the "EU bypass" that got closed down by Trudeau March 16. The spikes in flights to HAV today puzzle me, whether its a new Toronto ? or coordinated relief / repatriation
williambaker08
william baker 1
Thank you Mbrews
Ra1n
Ra1n 1
I did, in fact. I'd love to see some evidence of how someone entering the US from Europe by air via Canada, Cuba, or some other country, wouldn't be required to show their passport which, in turn, would show they were recently in Europe.
Ra1n
Ra1n 1
Correction: Replace "US citizen's passport" with just "passport."
Ra1n
Ra1n 0
The US has also preformed more tests (as of time of writing) and, as far as I'm aware, had stricter qualifications for testing regarding to symptoms (again, as of time of writing; please correct me if I'm wrong about this). The US population is also considerably higher than that of Canada.

This implies that, while the number of confirmed cases in the US is higher, the active percentage of people infected is completely unknown and not comparable between countries.

The number of confirmed cases DOES NOT EQUAL the number of people infected in any given country.

All that said, just because the boarder is still open, the population of both countries needs to be considerate and practice social distancing. Unnecessary travel & gatherings (intra or international) should be avoided until this whole thing blows over. This is for your own safety & well-being as well as the safety & well-being of others.
wopri
The usual metrics to compare countries in their performance of testing is tests per million inhabitants, and that’s where the USA took an awfully long time to get started.

I can only stress the importance of what you say in the last paragraph. We all need to practice social distancing to get the situation under control. Border closures are just a feel good measure in the present situation and are mostly used by politicians of all colours to score points, at least here in Canada. The only tiny benefit is that no sick tourists will add to the number of hospitalizations. The number of tourists by now is very tiny anyway and rapidly decreasing, as the rapid restructuring of the number of flights shows.
wopri
Ra1n, you might want to look at this, the numbers are from March 10, but the difference in the performance of containment and mitigation is very clearly shown. There are statistics and comparisons galore.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

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