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Delta orders 100 A321neo with the ACF (Airbus Cabin Flex) configuration

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Delta Air Lines chose the Airbus A321neo to renew its single-aisle fleet and the Pratt & Whitney PW1100G-JM engines to power it.The value of the order is roughly $25.4 billion at list prices. (airlinerwatch.com) More...

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RRKen
I wonder what the buzz is in Boeing's Boardroom this morning?

What you sow, so shall ye reap.
captleo
captleo 1
YOU KNOW!
djjamar
Jamar Jackson 14
Snitches get stitches. Boeing crying and snitching . I wouldn’t order them either after they fuxed one of money deals off and called the feds
captleo
captleo -1
WHAT EVER HAPPEN TO THE REFUELING PLANE THAT THEY TOOK AWAY FROM AIRBUS, WHERE IS THAT PLANE?
djames225
djames225 3
May I ask why you are screaming?
bsampson
Bill Sampson 1
I hope that it's just captleo's CAPS LOCK is on
lartac
Leon Artac -5
The AF contract was for a two engine aircraft. Airbus bid the A340, a 4 engine aircraft. What would the USAF be doing flying a French aircraft? Come on! Would never fly with Pres. Trump!The Army doesn't order French built tanks do they? By the way, the French built tanks come with back up lights!
canuck44
canuck44 6
I thought Airbus bid with the A-330 conversion not the A-340 and promised to build it in Alabama. It was designated KC-45.
djames225
djames225 6
It was, canuck44...Northrup Grumman was teamed up with EADS (Airbus parent company) to build based on an A330..however due to Boeing's kicking and screaming, Northrup Grumman pulled out in 2010...now look at the price...ballooned to over $225 mil from the original $189 mil price tag, which was still $5 Mil more than the EADS/Northrup bid.
BTW...Boeing's BS also cost Alabama an Airbus assembly plant to build the A330 tanker AND A330 freighters.
lartac
Leon Artac -8
So now there building A321s. What's the difference. Alabama is getting a lot of jobs off of AirBus. I bet you drive a Korean car as well.
djames225
djames225 5
And would have a lot more, that's the difference!....and who the H cares what make of car I drive..it was assembled in North America!
joelwiley
joel wiley 3
His point may have been that Alabama would have had MORE jobs.
Your 'bet' is a childish, unworthy attack. Korean Hyundai is built in Alabama, Kia is built in Georgia. Out of curiosity, what do you drive and where was it manufactured?
djames225
djames225 3
Thanks joel and it was.
djames225
djames225 5
Please get your facts straight...BTW Boeings BS cost the US many more jobs and investment than that POS KC-46A...but you go ahead and keep on thinking within those narrow walls.
PS..the aircraft would have been American built.
lartac
Leon Artac -3
American built and the profits going to Airbus in France. I don't believe that profits going to a foreign company get taxed by the US. Narrow Walls you bet.
n914wa
Mike Boote 5
Profits aren't taxed. Revenues are. And, yes, they pay US taxes.
djames225
djames225 3
American built and using American parts..WTheck do you think Northrop Grumman is located???..they too would get revenue and more Americans would get jobs and more American companies would get contracts..Boeing has hired diddly squat extra for that over budget POS KC-46A..and I said narrow walls because maybe it's about time folks expanded them.
canuck44
canuck44 10
Maybe the Bombardier CEO will send Boeing a sympathy card.
corsair2
David Seider 6
I'll sign it!
clbea
Claude B. 4
As a consolation price, here is a Superb Private jet for them : http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-ideas/luxury/bombardier-unveils-its-new-93-million-jet-thats-already-sold-out-for-years/news-story/f8e185934027667069392ab037810560
😼😊👏👏👏👏
corsair2
David Seider 1
^^^ consolation prize = lust
clbea
Claude B. 8
In less then 24 hours, Boeing lost over $50 billions in order. ( Delta bought 100 Airbus, Canada Will need 88 new fighting jets after the new second hand CF-18 will be to old to fly.)

Boeing is a giant looser! Plus the bad publicity they made with that story!
N8101
Lee Smith 7
The winds of Chicago are going to be howling loud & cold for some one tossed out into the street of the, canyon of corporate towers at 100 North Riverside Plaza.
stevemondral
steve mondral 12
Time to paint a big OOPS on the wall in the Boeing boardroom.
jrgargiulo
john Gargiulo 6
Boeing will be remembered in the business text books for how they lost market share to Airbus. Their lack of vision to replace the 757 and 767, and create substandard aircraft as the 737-900 is amazing. They are right up there with Coke when they rolled our NEW COKE
canuck44
canuck44 9
Don't forget they abandoned the market served by the 717 as well. Had they continued that line or one like it, Bombardier probably would not have taken the chance on the C-series.
dmitze01
Dan Mitzel 2
Yay for DAL... 20 FC seats means a better UG % for this Medallion.
Yazoo
Yazoo 1
I don't see any advantage to the ACF configuration. 197 people take a long time to plane and deplane. The L2 door boarding works great. Adding window exits restricts who and sit them (most understand English, be able to operate the door, must be 15, etc. and requires the time for a F/A to brief the exit rows. Passengers fighting to get the exit rows and dealing with additional fares for those seats all add cost. The 8 door, no overwing exit eliminates all that mess.
joelwiley
joel wiley 0
I was wondering about whether Boeing sold anything recently and found this:
http://atwonline.com/aircraft-orders-deliveries/lessors-dominate-airbus-boeing-november-orders

Boeing’s net total order count for the first 11 months of 2017 comes to 647 commercial aircraft, compared to Airbus’ 331 net order total for the same period. The count does not include military, business/VIP and private customer orders.

As of Nov. 30, Boeing has delivered 657 commercial aircraft compared to Airbus’ 588. Military, business/VIP and private customers are not included in these totals.

So it looks to me like Boeing isn't going to fold it's tent and fade into the desert twilight anytime soon.
canuck44
canuck44 3
Boeing or any other company cannot afford to keep losing the big ones. This is actually a contract with another 100 options which undoubtedly will enable Delta to convert some of them to the A-321LR as their 757's age out. Boeing has no replacement and with Airbus already set up at Delta this is most likely. American and United have almost 100 757's that will need to be replaced and will have the Delta experience to evaluate.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
One occurrence is an incident, a second a coincidence, a third is a trend.
djames225
djames225 3
No, but at the same time, they still try and bully the smaller players!
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
And appear to expect the current federal administration to hold its coat.
chalet
chalet -7
I suspect Delta got these aircraft for a really low price, did I hear $50 mill a pop.
iaincmaciver
Iain Maciver 11
Please substantiate your source. “....50 mill...”
chalet
chalet -9
It is evident that you know nothing about these transactions. First of all the airframe manufacturers be it small airplanes like Cessna's or the Big Two never, repeat never disclose the selling pricesofn their contracts (the Airlines themselves are bound to secrecy with iron-clad NDA; say do you know what NDAs are). Secondly trade maGazines such as AW&ST, Flying, Global, etc. are always fun to state "indicated prices are List Prices but the manufacturer(s) always grant DEEP DISCOUNTS in large orders like this, sometimes 50& or more). OK?
djames225
djames225 11
They asked a simple question and you answer like that?...you made it seem like you knew the price when you stated $50 Mil..I do not think Airbus would sell a $127 Mil aircraft for $50 Mil.
chalet
chalet -2
The Wall St. Journal made this statement back in 2012 "Airbus and Boeing publish list prices for their aircraft but the actual prices charged to airlines vary; they can be difficult to determine and tend to be much lower than the list prices. Both manufacturers are engaged in a price competition to defend their market share.[61]
The actual transaction prices may be as much as 63% less than the list prices, as reported in 2012 in the Wall Street Journal, giving some examples from the Flight International subsidiary Ascend:[62]
djames225
djames225 4
Maybe if you had come back with that answer, you would not have looked foolish..but you still do to some extent because you are basing your facts on 5 yr old logic.
If what you state is suppose to be true, Boeing and the US Dept of Commerce will look even more like foolhardy idiots as 63% off the list price on a CS100 is $28.4 mil.
chalet
chalet 0
It is evident that you are not up to speed with the pricing criteria used by the aiframe manufacturing industry. The steep discounts of 50% and more happened 5 years ago and will continue for another 25 years.
corsair2
David Seider 5
chalet - I don't know. Did you hear $50 mill a pop? If so, how did you come to hear it? If not, how did you arrive at that figure - by throwing a dart at the wall while blindfolded?
chalet
chalet -8
And facing the opposite direcction. Read the above and don't make absurd comparisons, OK fella?
djames225
djames225 4
Says the pot calling the kettle black!
chalet
chalet -1
Read, get fully informed and then could write some kind of sense.

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TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff 3
Does FADEC make you squirm, too?
n914wa
Mike Boote 2
How does an inanimate object have (or not have) morals?
canuck44
canuck44 5
Had a date like that once.
djames225
djames225 1
ROFLMAO..at least it was only once
djames225
djames225 1
Obviously you no longer fly on anything except the seat of your pants...oh wait..maybe they have morals also.

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