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FAA fines Boeing for unapproved sensors on almost 800 737s

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The Federal Aviation Administration has proposed a $19.7 million fine against Boeing for regulatory violations related to sensors on nearly 800 examples of the 737NG and 737 Max. (www.flightglobal.com) More...

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talbotent
Roy Talbot 17
Surely the reason to have paperwork is show the required safety checks are made to ensure its not a future problem like the crashed 737s
sparkie624
sparkie624 8
Yes very true.... The old saying in Maintenance states - "Every Time a Plane Flies, Another tree Dies" - It is unbelievable how much paperwork is on these planes, but it is for a good reason.
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 2
I thought Navy maintenance paperwork was bad back in the `80s. Today's digital age of paperwork makes that look like nothing.
dmsbalexander
Sure hope the Navy has no problems with its P8 Poseidon (737-800) made by Boeing. Never is mentioned in all the issues with the Max & what Boeing is doing to correct them.
skylane777
John Nichols 0
The Navy flies AoA , not Pitch, why would they give a crap about MCAS?
dmsbalexander
Sorry big boy, I'm not a Boeing engineer, nor pilot, even though I'm sure you're both, but I just was concerned about the Navy's version of the 737-800 and does it have any of the same characteristics of the 2 Max planes that crashed. i'll go elsewhere to get English language answers.
geroldn
geroldn 15
Say what you will about bureaucracy and paperwork. A lot of FAA regs were written in blood- someone crashed, someone died. The paperwork is how you prove you did it right, whether it is your license or how you built your plane. If everyone did the right thing every time then mankind wouldn't need laws or regulations or police.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 2
Remember when computers were relatively new to the average people? Back then, it was touted as "going paperless". Whatever happened?
KatzyBaby
KatzyBaby 2
I think the point is that anything and everything that has not been by the book, following rules, regulations and best practices is coming out and will continue to come out. The best thing for Boeing to do is to raise these issues themselves with plans on how to address them. Each time something, even something petty, comes out it further tarnishes Boeing's image. We the ppl, investors and Boeing should not be surprised by these failures, missteps, errors or coverups, it will all come out, new CEO or not.
ADXbear
ADXbear 2
More issues... gezźzzzz
DGR54Rathborne
DGR Rathborne 3
I have been constantly amazed at how Boeing has just played Fast and Lose with regulations , as each new tid bit is revealed . It is not just being an over zealous FAA , but Boeing just letting everything slide . Any way i'm deeply disappointed with Boeing . Is this how they have behaved with other Models in their Manufacture ?
jthyland
jthyland 2
Boeing having a run of bad luck, everything they touch seems to turn brown. Much self-inflicted.
On Mar 11 Boeing cashed a $13.8 b loan to start paying these fines and litigation.
E1craZ4life
Edward Bardes 1
If Boeing started development of the 737 MAX immediately after the 737NG started flying, would things have played out better for the company?
rowettd
Dale Rowett 1
Every time I read/hear about another problem at Boeing, I think about this program:
https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2020/01/14/for-boeing-a-new-ceo-and-the-same-unresolved-issues
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 2
Like much of society, the standards decreased in quality of not just the that of individual training and education standards but worse, the standard of ethics and values needed to do the job right with no acceptance of failure.

Failure is expected. It is inevitable. But, repeated failure based on lack of standards is not. You cannot learn from that.

I also fear the "must have it now" attitude of the younger generations is creating a cut in quality standards. They may not realize it but they've also created an acceptable rate of failure.
rreynard
Randy Reynard 0
This seems pretty picayune of the FAA. If the installed parts were "improved" or "better" than the original, they should just e allowed to amend the airworthiness documents. Sure they didn't cross all the "i"s and dot all the "t's, but there's no safety-of-flight issue here.
I've been disappointed with some of Boeing's doings lately, but this is overboard on the part of FAA (AFAIC).
nigelites
Nige Lites 1
Divide amount of Fine (19.7m) by number of aircraft (791) = $24,905 each

I don't know, but just asking, how does that relate to the cost of the head-up guidance systems involved.

What is 25k against the cost of a 737NG

For that matter, how does this relate to the salaries of the technicians, supervisors or managers, whoever it was that ultimately was responsible for the erroneous sign-offs.

I'm just trying to get a handle on the sums involved to understand if this is Proportionate or Punitive.
bwanapete
Peter Sinclair 0
$19.7 million is a paltry sum for Boeing. They should be forced to compensate the families of the victims adequately.
hmfcfan
Andrew Palmer 6
There's no-one to compensate in this context.
skylane777
John Nichols 1
Define “better” or improved? That relies on Boeing being builder and inspector.. Fox/Henhouse. We have done that dance, no?
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 0
That's a hell of a fine for a paperwork error.

My cost of product is going up so much on the Boeing/Aviall supply line, I swear they're trying to make up elsewhere for all the loss taken on the Max. My business is paying the price.

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